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you wore me down and you sucked me back

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in I have too many subscribers here just

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to walk away entirely especially with no

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alternative that truly stacks up and so

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many copycat channels uploading my shows

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and so the YouTube version of the show

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has to be prefaced with this little PSA

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only to say that episodes that contain

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the kinds of themes that have been

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appear here and even with that

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precaution there's already enough in the

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archive to get us removed so remember

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that the higher side chats could be

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banned or put in timeout again at any

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time and I won't be able to tell you

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guys about it so if you feel like it's

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been too long since you've heard from me

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here on this digital dystopian draconian

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seeking platform your first step should

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be to check the higher side shots calm

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for the latest shows alright alright

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the planets puppet-masters on my shirt

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we have a plan which clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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we know the lying to us just don't know

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what to green where would we be without

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shatters if you dig into the paranormal

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humanoid creatures that just aren't

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arrogance and the sheer terror of true

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acceptance have set back our study of

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this strangeness in our human terrarium

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too troubling degrees and as if little

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in the night wasn't enough a study of

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these cases finds a few other odd

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commonalities amongst the experiencers

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that we would be wise to consider

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to be ok and maybe even a connection to

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the state of being that we call death

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well one of the most famous cases of

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being taken by the visitors comes from

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today's guest Whitley Strieber detailed

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in his 1987 New York Times bestseller

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communion a name in a title that I'm

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sure most of us here are well familiar

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with on top of writing many highly

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acclaimed fiction books and hosting the

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popular dreamland podcast Whitley has

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also followed up on the communion Saga

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regularly with a string of books that

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outlines each new level of understanding

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with titles like transformation

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breakthrough the next steps the secret

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communion enigma and several others and

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against the big machine taking

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persistent narrative that these visitors

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afterlife revolution which was

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co-written by his late wife and from

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CE and passed away in 2015 but due to

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the strengthening of her soul in life

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her determination to investigate the big

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questions and with the foundation of a

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protocol established years prior between

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whitley and herself she has provided

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great insight about the after death

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experience and the curious visitors

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Whitley and thousands of others have

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experienced and the result is an

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emotional and informative ride through a

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unique book co-written between both

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sides of the veil and it's a true honor

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and a pleasure to have him here today

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investigating this weird world longer

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than I've been alive a gifted child of

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the secret school the little green man

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guru the only THC guests who have been

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played by Christopher Walken in a major

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motion picture and now the ambassador of

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the afterlife Whitley Strieber welcome

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to the higher side well thank you for

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having me and thank you for that

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extraordinary introduction you know I am

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still alive - surprisingly enough

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despite my rapidly advancing age when

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about three so every time you look

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around you're three or four years older

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be we don't realize it when we're in the

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middle of life and time seems kind of

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eternal but it sort of comes to a climax

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and you feel it but I love it it's been

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an extraordinary life and I am

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reasonably content with that although I

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have been beaten up a good bit I will

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agree to that mm-hmm well I appreciate

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that insight another thing I'll just

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have to file away from my future self

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but this is a real treat I'm a big fan

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I've always liked the more nuanced ideas

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you put forth about the visitors as

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you've called them and your latest book

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really does push the envelope by folding

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these experiences in with the afterlife

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out there are familiar with your

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communion story so maybe we could start

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by learning a bit more about Anne in her

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life about how she thought about these

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encounters and some of the logistics of

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writing a book with her

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host death how does that sound yeah we

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an because in her life she studied the

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visitor situation quite a lot

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she's strengthened her soul as you say

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in the book what else would you say to

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the people so they can maybe get a feel

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for why and would be a perfect person to

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be able to reach back post-death well

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yeah and was a she became an expert on

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the soul one of the most basic truths

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about Western society is that in

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escaping from the thousand year

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religious dictatorship that started with

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the Council of Nicaea and gradually

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things which advocated a secular

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approach to reality we abandoned and

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attached to it in other words religion

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was all about the soul the religious

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dictatorship was about people trying to

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gain power over other and doing so by

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life this is a sort of disaster because

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the form of fundamentalist Muslims

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Christians fundamentalist everything

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belief as the center of human culture

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which it has finally gotten free of so

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where did we end up and he understood

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all of this I'm actually repeating ideas

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that came from her after she denied I

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notice jump forward just for a second

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and then I'm gonna jump back after she

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that she said was the human species is

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too young to have beliefs we are about

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the question and that is so important

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because it goes right down to the

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absolute core of reality the nature of

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reality when you get down below the

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level of the particle it becomes

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indeterminate the universe is basically

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indeterminate and until we understand

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why that is and why it is that attention

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itself seems to be what organizes

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reality into something that can be seen

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and touched and interacted with we can't

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have beliefs because without a core

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understanding there we're always on

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slippery ground now why was she such an

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expert well part of it probably rests in

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who she was when she came into this

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world I don't know that she has shown me

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a wall full of pictures of people in

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various forms of dress that looked big

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portraits and whether those were

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portraits of who she has been in the

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past or not I don't know she didn't say

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in any case in this life here's what

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happened first we met and we can go into

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that later as to

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is that no sooner had we met than the

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strange stuff started to happen way

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before the communion experience it

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started within months of our having

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married actually even before that in any

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case along comes the communion

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experience I'm scared to death I don't

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want to tell her what happened I didn't

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tell her anything for weeks and I went

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to the doctor and went through the hope

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what happened was I had a close

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encounter of the third kind and it came

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into a life where I would assume that

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such a thing would only happen to yokels

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in the woods and not to a man with a

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reasonable amount of education like me

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and you made reference to the ego I was

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living in the ego of Western culture at

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the time so I would just dismiss

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something like that as a joke except the

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problem was after ruling out every

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conceivable possibility other than a

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close encounter I was forced to come

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face-to-face with what to me remains to

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this day a very enigmatic experience I'm

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not an advocate for alien belief in

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aliens as you know I am an advocate for

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exploration of that question though in

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any case I finally told Ann and Ann was

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a brilliant person she was the most

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brilliant person I ever knew she had a

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very large scale mind and it was a

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remarkable mind very original mind to so

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I thought oh my I've got to tell her

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have no choice I can't not tell her she

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knows that I've been in an emotional

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tailspin for weeks she knows something

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is terribly wrong and I don't have the

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right not to tell my wife so I told her

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what I remembered expecting her to say

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well we've got to talk about this and

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maybe you should see a psychiatrist but

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if you can't get past this we're gonna

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have to rethink this whole marriage

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Justi was raising a little boy at the

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time and she might not want her child

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to someone who had such crazy beliefs I

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would understand that perfectly I

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wouldn't either instead she said over

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thank God I thought you were losing your

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mind farther from what I expected the

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ear and I thought what and from that day

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to this it has always seemed as if she

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was simply ready for this and she could

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handle it she took over the intellectual

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side of everything I was gonna call

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communion body terror because it scared

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me so deeply and so viscerally my

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physical body became fear itself but she

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said no no that's not what it's about

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you'll find out eventually for what it's

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about and I said well what is it about

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and she said it's communion communion

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and I thought to myself well that seems

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pretty far from where I am right now but

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it was the truth and that is what it

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became over the years it took a long

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time to go from being a frightened

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outsider being dragged into this by my

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hair to being what I am today which is a

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participant in a blessed awakening hours

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anyway one day Annie she helped in the

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writing of the book immeasurably the

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books name and the group of questions

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that are the centerpiece of the text are

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all from an

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then we began to get letters tens of

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thousands and hundreds of thousands of

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letters over a long period of time and

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and took this over completely the mail

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men were bringing them in in great big

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mail bags and dumping them on the living

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room floor she hired a secretary and she

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had her own way of doing everything she

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was a complete original here's how the

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secretary came along she said to me I

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need a secretary I said I know you do

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just to open the letter sometime this is

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before email and I said let's call

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manpower and she said no no I don't want

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to call manpower I'm gonna find my

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secretary in these letters and I thought

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well that's not gonna be practical

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versus the secretary gonna be in

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Cincinnati and Australia a few minutes

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later she said here take a look at this

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letter and I read the letter and the

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woman was saying she was a singer and an

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actress I said well she says here she's

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a singer an actress and said if you ever

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heard of her I said no I haven't she

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said well then that's not all she is or

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she'd be starving to death

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look at that handwriting that's the work

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of a professional

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and she lived across the street huh from

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us in Manhattan three minutes from our

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apartment and she had had extensive

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experiences in her lifetime incredible

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experiences her name is Laurie Barnes

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and she became an secretary was a

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secretary for 15 years that's the way

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Anne worked and thought incredibly

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efficient completely original one day

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she came out of her office and she said

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Whitley this has something to do with

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what we call death thus beginning the

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real journey that comes down over the

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years to where we are now the afterlife

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revolution with this remarkable soul on

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the other side very efficiently and

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cleverly

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making her presence known in ways that

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people schooled in Western secular

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culture can reasonably entertain as

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being possible in other words a

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spiritual genius and not only that an

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actual intellectual genius as well a

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little woman we met in a computer dating

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program and it was the most incredible

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piece of luck I can ever imagine having

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in my life I don't think my life would

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have unfolded in any way like this if

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Anne had not come into it wow that is

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some great context for sure and I wanted

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to ask you about those communication

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mechanisms now that she has passed and

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you're working on this latest book you

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mentioned working with mediums under

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some pretty strict conditions that I

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think should impress even the most

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skeptical out there could you elaborate

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on that process of communication and the

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results you've gotten yeah here's how it

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happened

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Annie passed away on August the 11th

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2015 at 7:45 at night it was the most

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devastating moment I can imagine of my

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life or any life this woman who had been

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my life mm-hmm who I was

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in an orbit around her people all

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thought oh well she's in orbit around

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him

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uh-uh no I was in orbit around her and

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when she went suddenly the Sun that rose

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in my sky was gone and I lay beside her

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body in the bed thinking now what it

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felt like she was completely gone

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because she was a very extraordinary

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person and something happened when the

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moment of death I've been with people

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who have died before

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there's a stillness that comes into the

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body but it doesn't become

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unrecognizable and Annie became

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immediately unrecognizable it was like

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she was made entirely of light and as

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soon as she left the whole thing just

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was gone it was appalling I never saw

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anything like it in my life so then I

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went into the living room and I was just

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sitting there I had been there for about

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an hour my kids were leaving maybe they

401
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came and got Annie and took her away and

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Undertaker's did I sitting there and

403
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thinking what happens now to me Annie

404
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are you really gone you feel so gone you

405
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feel so gone the phone rang about 9:30

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and it was a friend Belle fuller and

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Belle said quickly I just had the

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strangest experience

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I heard and tell me to call you

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is she all right she knew n was sick but

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she didn't know she had died I said and

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died an hour and a half ago well we

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talked for a moment and I hung up little

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little did I know a few days later my

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kids had taken me out to Palm Springs

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just to get away from the house for a

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weekend

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I don't have much money so it was a

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relief to be able to lie couldn't have

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afforded it myself but they paid and you

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know someone has beat up as much as I am

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I don't get reviewed in the New York

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Times or anything anymore my life is

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being punished for being me that's what

425
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it is I am an outsider an advocate for

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rejected knowledge and at best a joke in

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any case let's go back to the more

428
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interesting stuff I was sitting on a

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bench in the mountains above Palm

430
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Springs and I was thinking myself Annie

431
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do you exist is there an afterlife at

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all I just I'd had so much experience of

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this you understand I mean if you read

434
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solving the communion and enigma or

435
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supernatural you'll read about all the

436
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:40,770
incredible interactions with the dead I

437
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,250
had already had but you lose your

438
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confidence when it's this close believe

439
00:21:54,410 --> 00:21:51,720
you me mm-hmm the phone rang again out

440
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in the mountains I mean I was not even

441
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near any cell towers there was a slight

442
00:22:03,080 --> 00:21:59,370
signal it wasn't a supernatural phone

443
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ring let me emphasize that it was Claire

444
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Henry William Henry swine William Henry

445
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is a good friend and also a searcher as

446
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is Claire and you can find him often on

447
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:15,480
ancient aliens actually he used to have

448
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:17,610
a show on unknown country on my website

449
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:20,150
called revelations

450
00:22:26,660 --> 00:22:23,510
anyway clear is a absolutely lovely

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English when a thief journeyer in the

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spirit and she said quitly I just had

453
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the strangest thing happened

454
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:37,550
I heard Anne's voice tell me to call you

455
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she knew of course by then that Ann was

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dead and I thought to myself how strange

457
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this is the second time this has

458
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happened

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I was asking to hear from Ann and

460
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and then a few days later it happened

461
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again at some point

462
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I recall or I think I recall back in the

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90s when we realized that the close

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encounter experience and in their action

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in contact with the dead were all

466
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connected in fact that may be the only

467
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:19,450
thing the close encounter experience

468
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really is I don't know what we call the

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dead or as any footage something else in

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any case we had decided that the first

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of us to go would try to contact the

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other but indirectly through friends

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because both of us would immediately

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assume that it was just imagination

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otherwise and I thought to myself my god

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she's doing it she's doing what we

477
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agreed to do I'm not absolutely sure

478
00:24:00,930 --> 00:23:58,960
about this I always like people to

479
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understand the level of confidence I'm

480
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pretty sure we had this conversation but

481
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it was so brief you know so long ago I I

482
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can't say I remember it word for word

483
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but I do remember that we had decided to

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do something like this and I began to

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take notice and then there followed a

486
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deepening of my relationship with her

487
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and with the visitors that started in

488
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the following manner do you want to ask

489
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:34,590
another question or shall I just go on

490
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feel free to continue yeah this is great

491
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okay I will continue you can have a cup

492
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of coffee with you listen yeah anyway

493
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okay fast-forward a few weeks it's now

494
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September of 2015 and I decided to go to

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Nashville William Henry was having an

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event at the scarit Bennett Center in

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Nashville which is a lovely place we

498
00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:57,630
used to have something called the

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dreamland festival and we would meet

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there so I'd have a lot of very very

501
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:04,860
beloved associations for me and I had

502
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decided I would go and I went and I love

503
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:09,330
listening to William and watching him

504
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work because everything he does is

505
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through art through paintings and he

506
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shows beautiful images of Renaissance

507
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and pre Renaissance painting the art and

508
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talks about it in terms of

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transformation and the rainbow body as

510
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it's called so I was there and during

511
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one of the breaks a lady came up to me

512
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and said Mr Streep here I have something

513
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I would like to tell you and it's a

514
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little strange and I'm not sure quite

515
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,159
how to go about this and I thought well

516
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don't worry I mean you you know you

517
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don't have to worry about telling me

518
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anything strange and so I said something

519
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:51,419
to that effect you can tell me anything

520
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,890
strange I've heard it all

521
00:25:56,659 --> 00:25:54,360
but if this is stranger than anything

522
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I've ever heard I'll be both amazed and

523
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grateful and she said well I just heard

524
00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:02,789
an she knew Ann's voice from the radio

525
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and from having been in presentations

526
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with us say very clearly in my ear tell

527
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quitly that I can see him when he's in

528
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the chair this had an immediate and huge

529
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effect on me I knew at once what was

530
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meant I sit in a chair when I meditate

531
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because I ruined one of my knees when

532
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:32,250
Annie was ill because I lifted her a lot

533
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because she had lost the use of her left

534
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side toward the end in any case I

535
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:41,510
thought my god oh I know

536
00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:48,200
and my mind went back years to the early

537
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days of the close encounter experience

538
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when I had asked during one of the few

539
00:27:00,879 --> 00:26:56,809
interactions I ever had I had very few

540
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:00,889
give and takes with them why they had

541
00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:05,090
come and the answer was we saw a global

542
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:07,460
and at the time I thought that must have

543
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,289
meant the glow of cities and so forth

544
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:11,600
because I was fairly invested in the

545
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:15,289
alien hypothesis early on but then I

546
00:27:22,750 --> 00:27:19,730
realized no it's not that globe and I

547
00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:22,760
know what this is now as soon as the

548
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,200
woman spoke it seemed that the

549
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:26,480
information came with the words she said

550
00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:31,039
about an it is a glow that is set up

551
00:27:37,539 --> 00:27:34,549
when you do something called the sensing

552
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:37,549
exercise what you do is you place your

553
00:27:45,509 --> 00:27:41,710
attention on your physical sensation and

554
00:27:50,649 --> 00:27:45,519
let your thoughts run on their own and

555
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:50,659
this causes an intensification of the

556
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:54,230
energy in the nerves that are in the

557
00:27:59,799 --> 00:27:56,990
surface of the skin which are like an

558
00:28:01,659 --> 00:27:59,809
electromagnetic organ we don't think of

559
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,669
them as an organ but it is it's

560
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:03,760
literally a non-physical organ an

561
00:28:08,259 --> 00:28:06,590
electromagnetic organ that resides just

562
00:28:10,899 --> 00:28:08,269
above the surface of our body and when

563
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:10,909
you get an EKG or something an EEG

564
00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:12,440
that's what they're measuring is that

565
00:28:19,509 --> 00:28:15,590
electricity it changes the nature of

566
00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:19,519
that electricity to pay attention to the

567
00:28:26,649 --> 00:28:23,000
sensation it is producing and in another

568
00:28:29,889 --> 00:28:26,659
level of reality that can be seen as an

569
00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:29,899
increasing glow I am quite sure that

570
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:32,840
this is it and I've been doing the

571
00:28:38,139 --> 00:28:36,289
sensing exercise since 1970 and in the

572
00:28:41,259 --> 00:28:38,149
early days when we moved out to our

573
00:28:43,419 --> 00:28:41,269
cabin in upstate New York all of a

574
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:43,429
sudden these visitors who were cruising

575
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:47,120
around there the huge Hudson Valley UFO

576
00:28:50,769 --> 00:28:49,370
flap was taking place a few miles away I

577
00:28:53,259 --> 00:28:50,779
didn't even know about it at the time

578
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:53,269
but it was taking place a few miles away

579
00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:55,410
so they were definitely around

580
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,470
big time and they must have seen at

581
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:00,720
night we were there alone in the cabin

582
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:02,760
with no houses around us in a very

583
00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:05,130
isolated fairly isolated spot it wasn't

584
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:07,380
like the only cabin for miles and miles

585
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,260
or other cabins around but there was one

586
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:12,960
little glow that showed up every night

587
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,330
at about a lemon and they got curious

588
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:17,640
and came to see what was going on now

589
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:21,330
fast forward to September of 2015 I went

590
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:23,130
home from that conference knowing

591
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:28,230
something very valuable the dead can see

592
00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:32,220
us when we do the sensing exercise it

593
00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:35,540
opens a door into another reality I

594
00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:38,160
hadn't been home for a week before

595
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:40,700
suddenly at 3 o'clock in the morning

596
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:44,210
something electrified one of my toes and

597
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:48,510
I jumped out of bed because I felt that

598
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,020
and I thought have I gotten gout but it

599
00:29:59,660 --> 00:29:55,500
wasn't gout it just went away so I went

600
00:30:03,860 --> 00:29:59,670
back to sleep the next night it was more

601
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:03,870
obvious someone who I could not see and

602
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:05,910
I'd the visitors are often around me and

603
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,210
I rarely rarely see them so it's not

604
00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:11,640
unusual if people think oh well that's

605
00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:12,180
weird

606
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:17,040
the report of the UFO that was released

607
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:20,250
by the US Navy in December it mentions

608
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:22,530
that the object was apparently able to

609
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,320
cloak itself and become invisible they

610
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:27,600
can do that on an individual basis as

611
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:29,010
well and they're really very

612
00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:32,520
accomplished at it in any case someone

613
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:36,150
grabs my right nipple I'm lying on the

614
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:38,550
right side of the bed and shakes that

615
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:42,290
nipple hard I leaped out of the bed

616
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:46,050
because you know I mean I'm alone in an

617
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:48,360
apartment right right it's the middle of

618
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:50,310
the night and someone has grabbed my

619
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:52,710
nipple and is pinching the Dickens out

620
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:55,710
of it I am going to be extremely

621
00:31:02,150 --> 00:30:59,520
concerned so I jump up in the nobody

622
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,160
there and I think to myself well there

623
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:03,840
is somebody here because that didn't

624
00:31:09,789 --> 00:31:07,710
just happen I've had lots of experience

625
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:09,799
with these beings when they're in

626
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:11,929
on rare occasions I've gotten them to

627
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:14,210
become visible I've gotten them willing

628
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:18,679
to do that briefly anyway I thought to

629
00:31:25,299 --> 00:31:20,809
myself it's the same time it's three and

630
00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:25,309
I remembered back to the mid-90s when I

631
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:28,429
was meditating with a group of people

632
00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:30,770
who claimed to be from the Bardo between

633
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:33,620
the lives who would come into our

634
00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:36,200
meditation room in our cabin at 11:00

635
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:38,900
and then they would wake me up at 3:00

636
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:41,690
by punching me on the shoulder and I

637
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:43,280
would go in and meditate with them again

638
00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:47,390
and I thought to myself now I understand

639
00:31:55,180 --> 00:31:52,100
why because at 3:00 everybody is asleep

640
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,190
there's very little going on there's not

641
00:32:00,250 --> 00:31:58,159
a lot of energy anywhere and when you

642
00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:00,260
sit and you do the sensing exercise

643
00:32:08,409 --> 00:32:03,559
you're easy to see and it's easy for

644
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:08,419
Annie to find me at this hour and that's

645
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:12,440
why they wanted since then I have done

646
00:32:22,659 --> 00:32:17,090
it every night I possibly could at 3:00

647
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:22,669
as well as 11:00 and in fact last night

648
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:27,650
I did it at 1:30 and they woke me up at

649
00:32:33,779 --> 00:32:32,150
3:00 and I didn't get up to do it a

650
00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:33,789
second time because I'd already done it

651
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:36,440
but that is how it goes in the way they

652
00:32:41,529 --> 00:32:38,840
wake me up now is always the same they

653
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:41,539
will blow on the back of my hand or blow

654
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:43,730
in my face usually blow in my face and

655
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:45,950
it's interesting it doesn't feel like

656
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,890
someone blowing it's like a directed

657
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:51,980
column of air where only that column of

658
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:54,440
air when somebody blows on you the

659
00:33:00,010 --> 00:32:57,890
center of the breath is the strongest

660
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:00,020
part but it doesn't have a laser-like

661
00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:02,570
sense to it that it does when they flow

662
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,440
on me and it's very much like a discrete

663
00:33:11,409 --> 00:33:08,720
column of air is projected into my face

664
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:11,419
or onto the back of my hand and then I

665
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:13,190
get up immediately and meditate and they

666
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:14,450
have a lot of other ways of

667
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:19,010
communicating with me and they are here

668
00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:21,770
I suppose Annie as part of this I don't

669
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:23,309
know but I have gone

670
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:28,169
one from being a terrified and unwilling

671
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:32,220
little animal to being a participant in

672
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:36,299
this experience in the deepest communion

673
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:40,559
that I can find in myself hmm and that

674
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:44,370
is where I am now a rather long answer

675
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,440
to a short question but there you have

676
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:48,779
it well yeah I mean that paints such a

677
00:33:53,769 --> 00:33:51,240
great picture of how you were able to

678
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,779
open up those lines of communication and

679
00:33:58,369 --> 00:33:56,039
you know how these visitors have been

680
00:34:02,359 --> 00:33:58,379
interacting with you since that fateful

681
00:34:05,749 --> 00:34:02,369
day in 1985 and you know reading this

682
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:05,759
book and has so much to say about the

683
00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:08,129
other side and that's really fascinating

684
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,710
can you tell us about some of the things

685
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:12,540
she's been able to communicate with you

686
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:14,609
about the shape and structure of the

687
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:16,889
afterlife and maybe what these visitors

688
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:21,060
role is in it well in terms of the shape

689
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,839
and structure I don't have a real sense

690
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:27,300
of that some of the things that Anne has

691
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:33,230
said are things like we are light alive

692
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:37,950
which was a very powerful statement to

693
00:34:46,579 --> 00:34:41,879
me I understood it immediately and I

694
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:46,589
understood why it is we can't see them

695
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:48,569
or usually can't see them because

696
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:51,179
they're in a sense at a different speed

697
00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:54,210
than we are they may be here in the room

698
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:56,669
but they're not visible to us because

699
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:01,440
the speed of the light that they are is

700
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:04,950
somehow different it's not like regular

701
00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:06,990
light there's something else going on

702
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,560
here that we have not yet understood and

703
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:12,660
by the way we have in our history of

704
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:16,619
science a trap the trap is that we have

705
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:21,390
a tendency to say the only things that

706
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:24,300
exist are the things that we can measure

707
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:28,980
now that does not happen to be true it

708
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,530
has never been true but in the middle of

709
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:33,660
the 18th century before meteors were

710
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,700
discovered scientists would confer

711
00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:39,520
they say rocks cannot fall from the sky

712
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:43,420
and when fossils were found and brought

713
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:47,140
to Voltaire he said those are merely

714
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:50,099
fish bones thrown aside by travelers

715
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:53,500
later of course much richer fossils were

716
00:35:59,900 --> 00:35:57,250
found and the fish bones story died but

717
00:36:02,940 --> 00:35:59,910
the point is that we have a tendency to

718
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:02,950
close our minds to anything that we

719
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:05,890
haven't already discovered this is a

720
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:07,810
property of light that we haven't

721
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:10,660
discovered it is what the master of the

722
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:14,200
key who I met in 1999 called conscious

723
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:18,300
energy it is what they are now I'm

724
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:21,880
pretty sure though that there's even

725
00:36:27,329 --> 00:36:24,730
more to it than that I'm pretty sure

726
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:27,339
there are parallel universes and I've

727
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:30,930
had a few experiences and know of a few

728
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,119
experiences that would suggest that

729
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:36,400
there are other physical universes right

730
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,060
here and give you an example there is in

731
00:36:45,870 --> 00:36:42,960
my family a country house in Texas and

732
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:45,880
it's been in the family for five

733
00:36:54,569 --> 00:36:49,390
generations for a long time I guess six

734
00:36:58,170 --> 00:36:54,579
generations and it is situated on a

735
00:37:00,270 --> 00:36:58,180
bluff and immediately north of the house

736
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,280
there's an empty area which there been a

737
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:01,839
lot of things on that over the years

738
00:37:08,490 --> 00:37:05,910
tennis court and different things and

739
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,500
one morning two people who were in the

740
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:11,440
house not me walked out onto the front

741
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:14,890
porch and to their amazement saw another

742
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:18,880
house a different architecture and a

743
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:22,089
different type of house on that area

744
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:23,890
which is usually empty and there was no

745
00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:25,390
tennis court at the time so it was just

746
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,660
a open area and it was as big as life

747
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:30,640
and completely real as far as they were

748
00:37:35,339 --> 00:37:33,460
concerned they rushed back into the

749
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:35,349
house to call everybody to come see this

750
00:37:39,089 --> 00:37:37,030
thing because it had come out of nowhere

751
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:39,099
everyone knew that there was nothing

752
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:40,510
there there'd been nothing there the day

753
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:42,040
before they'd never been anything there

754
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:44,170
but when they went back out it was gone

755
00:37:54,279 --> 00:37:49,910
hmm now fast forward to a year ago April

756
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:54,289
I was in the house it was night was dark

757
00:38:00,670 --> 00:37:58,190
I was attending a breeding group that

758
00:38:05,799 --> 00:38:00,680
I'm in in here in California and Malibu

759
00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:05,809
and I was attending it via FaceTime so

760
00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:08,150
the room was dark and I was looking into

761
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,740
the screen on my cell phone when I

762
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:15,680
noticed movement in the shadows and I

763
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:17,390
was in the middle of a big dark living

764
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:20,390
room and I was shocked

765
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:24,410
I moved the cellphone aside to see a boy

766
00:38:33,220 --> 00:38:28,970
of looked like about 12 to 14 wearing a

767
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:33,230
tunic type shirt and loose pants and the

768
00:38:39,819 --> 00:38:37,130
shirt was raw linen with black piping

769
00:38:42,490 --> 00:38:39,829
down it it wasn't a style that anything

770
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:42,500
that you would normally see on somebody

771
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:47,270
and he stood not three feet away from me

772
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:50,750
and was watching me and I looked

773
00:38:58,089 --> 00:38:54,140
directly into his eyes there was a

774
00:39:01,450 --> 00:38:58,099
contact between us and I could literally

775
00:39:04,299 --> 00:39:01,460
see the moment that he realized that I

776
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:04,309
could see him I could see a look of

777
00:39:12,789 --> 00:39:07,970
surprise and concern come over his face

778
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,799
and he disappeared I think that there is

779
00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:14,480
a parallel universe and this is a

780
00:39:19,859 --> 00:39:17,270
wonderful house by the way it's full of

781
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:19,869
ghosts and they were charming ghosts

782
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:22,190
I'll tell you a ghost story from the

783
00:39:28,299 --> 00:39:25,880
house sure one of my cousins I have some

784
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:28,309
cousins they're girls and they were in

785
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:30,950
the house when they were teenagers one

786
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:32,690
in one room and one in another and they

787
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:34,520
were of course being teenagers they were

788
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:38,210
rather touchy about each other and one

789
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:40,670
of them woke up in the night because

790
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,170
there was movement in her room and she

791
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,760
looked and the other one was sitting at

792
00:39:52,299 --> 00:39:46,400
her dresser brushing her long blonde

793
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:52,309
hair and in the next morning at

794
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:55,130
breakfast the girl who had seen this

795
00:39:59,620 --> 00:39:58,010
said to her sister don't come in my room

796
00:40:01,780 --> 00:39:59,630
and brush her hair in the middle of the

797
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:01,790
night anymore you woke me up

798
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:05,420
whereupon the sister said I didn't do

799
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:07,369
that I never win in your room I would

800
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:08,930
never go in your room bla bla bla

801
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:11,920
my grandmother was there and she said oh

802
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:14,740
that was rooty-toot-toot

803
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:19,510
and the kid said who's ready to tude

804
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:22,490
she said well in your great

805
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:25,000
grandmother's day when the house was new

806
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:27,590
she used to have a lot of artists and

807
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:30,800
movie people and opera singers and stuff

808
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:33,430
up and one of them was an opera singer

809
00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:36,790
who used to come and overstay her

810
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:40,340
invitation chronically she would be

811
00:40:45,609 --> 00:40:42,050
asked for a weekend and come and stay

812
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:45,619
two weeks and nothing has changed in

813
00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:48,080
this house this house is the same as it

814
00:40:52,330 --> 00:40:49,880
was when it was built the furniture is

815
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:52,340
mostly all the same our things that have

816
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:54,290
worn out have been closely copied so if

817
00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:55,640
you look at a picture of this house from

818
00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,940
1910 and a picture of the living room

819
00:41:01,210 --> 00:41:00,680
taken yesterday you can see everything

820
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:01,220
is the same

821
00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:06,800
so we're weird that way in any case this

822
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:09,740
opera singer would sit there in front of

823
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:11,810
that very dresser that you saw her

824
00:41:16,990 --> 00:41:14,300
sitting in front of and brush her long

825
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:17,000
blonde hair and sing opera and it drove

826
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:18,710
the boys crazy and they called her

827
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:22,310
rooty-toot-toot and really toot toot

828
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:23,690
after she died

829
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:26,540
was seen there many times and less often

830
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:29,510
recently and this happened back in the

831
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:32,390
60s and that is as far as I know the

832
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:34,820
last time rooty-toot-toot ever came to

833
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:37,670
that house but she obviously liked it

834
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:39,290
very much and I could tell you I could

835
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:40,850
spend the entire morning telling you

836
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:44,030
ghost stories about that house and it is

837
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:47,390
however a house of happy ghosts nice we

838
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:49,250
have never had a ghost in there that was

839
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:52,250
mean or ominous or scary at all but we

840
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,700
all have plenty of experience with

841
00:42:00,040 --> 00:41:58,160
ghosts in that house yeah that's a great

842
00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:00,050
story and it makes me think the next

843
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:01,700
owner of the house is gonna see you deep

844
00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:03,890
in trance in that chair of yours at the

845
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:06,260
right times a day oh this house is gonna

846
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,090
be in the family forever we're never

847
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:10,640
selling this fair enough I'm not an

848
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:13,340
indirect line to read Herot it but the

849
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:15,170
people who do inherit and have no intent

850
00:42:18,819 --> 00:42:16,970
of ever selling it will never be sold

851
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:18,829
it's part of the family's blood

852
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:21,020
that's great to have rare these days

853
00:42:25,630 --> 00:42:23,450
yeah rare but it's an old and close

854
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,640
family there's a lot of love in this

855
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:27,920
family and there has been and we've had

856
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:30,260
plenty of fights two members of the

857
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,670
family ended up in front of the Supreme

858
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:33,920
Court one time because when we do fight

859
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:36,260
we tend to fight hard but nevertheless

860
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:38,569
they're friends again one of them won

861
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:40,250
and one of them lost is what this tends

862
00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:41,420
to happen in front of the Supreme Court

863
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:43,790
yes indeed but they're friends again and

864
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,380
we go on we do on the generations so let

865
00:42:52,059 --> 00:42:49,760
me ask you this question because you

866
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:52,069
mentioned fear a little bit earlier and

867
00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:54,470
I wanted to ask you about these beans

868
00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:57,140
the visitors and their relationship with

869
00:43:00,849 --> 00:42:58,730
fear because I've had a few friends

870
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:00,859
described their encounters and they say

871
00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:02,930
that they sometimes awaken in the night

872
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:05,329
with sleep paralysis then they can see

873
00:43:10,059 --> 00:43:07,640
these beans sort of out of the corner of

874
00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:10,069
their eye and then when their fear is at

875
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,160
its height that's when these shadow

876
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:16,640
figures tend to descend on them and I've

877
00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:19,640
heard you mention in the past that their

878
00:43:23,859 --> 00:43:22,460
appearance can get more menacing as the

879
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,869
fear level goes up almost like a

880
00:43:27,849 --> 00:43:25,520
shape-shift what do you think is the

881
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:27,859
mechanism behind this fear relationship

882
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:31,480
are they feeding on it no not at all

883
00:43:39,010 --> 00:43:35,240
they're reflecting it and just like any

884
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:39,020
animal does if you show fear in front of

885
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,950
a another creature another animal that

886
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:45,920
animal will react with fear or Menace

887
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:49,460
one of the two hmmm now I'm shifting

888
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:52,280
from talking about the world of souls

889
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:54,740
into the world of the visitors they

890
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:57,680
don't have apparently the barrier

891
00:44:01,690 --> 00:43:59,450
between the living and the dead that we

892
00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:01,700
do that's a fundamental difference but I

893
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:05,480
think they may still not be from here it

894
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:07,390
becomes a very complicated situation

895
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:10,609
because we have what we call the dead

896
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:14,240
and we have the visitors who are both

897
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:16,970
physical and non-physical and we're

898
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,650
getting kind of mixed up as to what the

899
00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:20,480
heck's going on because it's not really

900
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:22,940
very clear in any case talking about

901
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:26,680
them as physical beings I can give you

902
00:44:33,090 --> 00:44:30,040
extremely specific examples of how this

903
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:33,100
works first just going back to the sleep

904
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:36,010
paralysis thing those may not be close

905
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:37,720
encounter experiences sleep paralysis

906
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:40,060
works like that and there's no clear

907
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:42,850
evidence that sleep paralysis is part of

908
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:44,770
the close encounter experience at all I

909
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:47,560
never had it I never experienced

910
00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:49,300
anything like sleep paralysis and my

911
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:52,900
maybe once or twice but I didn't relate

912
00:44:59,820 --> 00:44:56,370
it to my close encounters in any case

913
00:45:02,670 --> 00:44:59,830
here's an example one of the things that

914
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,680
Annie was very skilled at doing was

915
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:04,480
getting people up at the cabin who would

916
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:06,460
encounter the visitors at the cabin I

917
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:09,070
don't know how she did it she just

918
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:12,250
seemed to have an instinct for it it

919
00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:14,260
usually worked it didn't always but it

920
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:17,860
usually did one night this was the

921
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,120
situation a lady named Raven Dana was in

922
00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:24,160
one bedroom the bedroom beside her was

923
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:26,980
Lori Barnes and secretary and in the

924
00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:28,690
living room there was a couple who were

925
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:32,080
film makers by the way you'll notice I

926
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:35,110
mentioned witnesses by name consistently

927
00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:38,590
through these conversations as I do as

928
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:42,340
much as possible in my books the reason

929
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:44,650
is that I am making extraordinary claims

930
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:50,620
and anything I can do to substantiate

931
00:45:59,940 --> 00:45:55,510
those claims not to prove them but to

932
00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:59,950
allow people to believe they have reason

933
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:02,200
to entertain them as a possibility and

934
00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:05,620
to explore them in question I will do

935
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:08,380
that's why you know if you pick up a lot

936
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:11,650
of these books there's long stories but

937
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,650
there's never any corroboration but I

938
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:16,960
try to get as much in that as I can and

939
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:18,670
these are all witnesses I'm mentioning

940
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:20,650
by name who have given me permission to

941
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:23,910
do so okay so that said let's go on

942
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:27,280
here's what happens first of all Annie

943
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:29,980
knew that the visitors were gonna show

944
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:31,750
up that night and the reason she did was

945
00:46:35,490 --> 00:46:32,230
this

946
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:35,500
Lori Barnes had been walking on the road

947
00:46:41,810 --> 00:46:38,490
in front of the cabin and she

948
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:41,820
encountered her brother which very much

949
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:43,830
surprised her because he had disappeared

950
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:47,190
20 years before and been declared dead

951
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:51,360
by the FBI and she said to him my god

952
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:56,010
I'm so glad to see you again come down

953
00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:59,430
to the cabin and meet my friends and he

954
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:01,740
said I just wanted to let you know that

955
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,580
I'm all right and he smiled at her rose

956
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:07,380
from the ground and sort of drifted back

957
00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:10,050
into the woods and was gone she came

958
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:11,940
back from her walk in a state of

959
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:15,090
complete shock and amazement and he said

960
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,369
to me quietly they'll show up tonight I

961
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:20,880
said I know it because often the dead

962
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:23,790
are associated with their appearance in

963
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:28,619
various ways that night here is what

964
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:29,930
happened

965
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:34,260
Ravin Dana was awakened by someone

966
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,140
tapping on her shoulder I believe she

967
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:38,400
was what she may have been awakened by

968
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:40,530
someone moving on the bed I don't have

969
00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:44,300
the narrative in front of me in any case

970
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,820
she opened her eyes and she thought it's

971
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:50,520
a raccoon because it had great big black

972
00:47:55,070 --> 00:47:53,490
eyes and then she thought well no it

973
00:47:57,859 --> 00:47:55,080
can't be a raccoon because it would have

974
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,869
come in through the window and it the

975
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:00,720
windows are screwed shut oh my god it's

976
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:05,730
one of them and she heard it say what

977
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:09,750
can I do for you to which she replied

978
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:13,290
you could walk down that hall and it

979
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:16,890
held out its hand and they touched hands

980
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,609
and I was with Raven about 6 weeks ago

981
00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:23,640
and I asked her about the experience in

982
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:25,320
how she remembered and and she said well

983
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,210
you know Whitley there are two

984
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,480
experiences in my life that are as vivid

985
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,940
right now as they were when they

986
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:35,400
happened the first is the day my mother

987
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:37,950
died and the second is that experience

988
00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:41,450
that's how powerful it was to her and is

989
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:46,109
so anyway after touching her hand it

990
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,690
moved out into the hallway and the

991
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:51,150
reason she had said that was there was a

992
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:52,470
low-light camera

993
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:54,900
set up on the hall by the filmmaker

994
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,310
couple who were in the living room

995
00:49:01,040 --> 00:48:59,280
sleeping on the couch the being went

996
00:49:04,070 --> 00:49:01,050
down the hall and proceeded to wake up

997
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:04,080
Lori Barnes and another woman who did

998
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:06,690
not wash her name used in the next

999
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:09,090
bedroom and interacted with them for a

1000
00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:12,210
few moments as well there was never

1001
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:14,340
anything found on the tape we looked and

1002
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:15,950
looked and looked

1003
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:22,200
however toward dawn the filmmaker woke

1004
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:27,330
up because he saw looking down at him

1005
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:31,020
from the bedside a little man with a

1006
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:34,790
huge head and he was a Hollywood

1007
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:38,970
filmmaker deeply invested in the secular

1008
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:42,330
society overlaid by the cynical culture

1009
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:44,730
of Hollywood so he was there to make

1010
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:47,730
money he had no idea about any of this

1011
00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:50,880
being in any way real so he was shocked

1012
00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:54,990
and terrified by what he saw now this is

1013
00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:59,270
where I've been leading up to he

1014
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:00,510
observed

1015
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:06,510
this man turn into something that had

1016
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:11,520
the head of a hawk it reacted to his

1017
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:16,770
fear with a defensive response by

1018
00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:21,480
becoming menacing and this is because we

1019
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:25,080
are not tamed to each other we are

1020
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:27,150
socialized human beings are deeply

1021
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:31,020
socialized we live in big herds but you

1022
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,700
know cattle are comfortable in their

1023
00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:35,640
herd but you take a cow out of the herd

1024
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:37,830
and try to interact with it it's not

1025
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:40,770
gonna be so comfortable we're the same

1026
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:44,640
way we are not tamed to them and they

1027
00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:48,300
are not tamed to us either so when one

1028
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:50,790
side gets scared the other side is gonna

1029
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:55,619
react with fear - I got over this I am

1030
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,290
tamed to them now and the ones who come

1031
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,720
to me are fairly well tamed to me but

1032
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:03,359
it's not true of others I'll give you

1033
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:05,250
another example this is just from a few

1034
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:06,490
weeks ago

1035
00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:10,119
I was at a conference I am often invited

1036
00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:13,150
to these conferences of scientists and

1037
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:16,270
academics who are studying people with

1038
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:18,760
unusual experiences and you understand I

1039
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:21,760
don't talk about this but I've had brain

1040
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:23,470
scans I've been deeply and profoundly

1041
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:26,290
analyzed so there's no real question

1042
00:51:31,410 --> 00:51:29,920
about the veracity of what I am talking

1043
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:31,420
about there are things about me

1044
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:34,180
physically including an implant in my

1045
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:36,550
left ear that speak to the authenticity

1046
00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:39,010
at least of the experience if not to its

1047
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:42,060
actual meaning and sense in any case I

1048
00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:46,270
was at this conference and I was

1049
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,280
describing experiences and so forth like

1050
00:51:53,550 --> 00:51:51,040
I always do and I was with one of the

1051
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:53,560
other conferees in the same bedroom at

1052
00:51:58,650 --> 00:51:55,480
night in the same dorm room shared rooms

1053
00:52:03,060 --> 00:51:58,660
in this conference center so we had

1054
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:03,070
separate beds and the visitors often

1055
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:06,610
show up in my life at night could be an

1056
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:10,650
for all I know I'm not sure in any case

1057
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:13,390
one of them showed up beside the bed

1058
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:16,450
I actually glimpsed it briefly very

1059
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:20,530
unusually and I was quite frightened by

1060
00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:22,780
its eyes which were very dark and deep

1061
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:26,350
and then it blew on my left hand or sent

1062
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:28,210
a column of air on the back of my left

1063
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:30,940
hand causing me to turn away so I did

1064
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,660
not experience any more of the dynamic

1065
00:52:40,890 --> 00:52:37,920
of that which I've had before which is a

1066
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,900
it's like looking into infinity it's

1067
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:43,359
surprisingly difficult to do wasn't

1068
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,180
frightening but it was extremely

1069
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,880
unsettling and then there was a brief

1070
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:51,280
interaction I got up and meditated and

1071
00:52:58,620 --> 00:52:54,820
did this sensing exercise meanwhile my

1072
00:53:02,130 --> 00:52:58,630
roommate had an awareness of the

1073
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:02,140
presence of this being and he heard

1074
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:07,150
inside his body another voice another

1075
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:14,530
part of him say oh my god and I know why

1076
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,700
that happened I know where that fear

1077
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:20,400
originated from and whyatt he

1078
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:23,609
existed but what I will say about it now

1079
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:27,390
is that it is a sample of just how

1080
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:32,690
visceral and how very deep this fear is

1081
00:53:43,099 --> 00:53:38,660
you have to come to peace with your own

1082
00:53:47,299 --> 00:53:43,109
reality and your own mortality in order

1083
00:53:50,299 --> 00:53:47,309
to interact with this the process of

1084
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:50,309
taming yourself to this is not simply a

1085
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:52,470
matter of propinquity and being with

1086
00:54:01,039 --> 00:53:58,260
them a lot it is a matter of coming to a

1087
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:01,049
sense of deep inner peace with who and

1088
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:05,880
what you are and that is a journey it's

1089
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:09,049
a soul journey of major proportions so

1090
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:11,490
this is some of the things about the

1091
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:14,670
fear and now we have a big folklore that

1092
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:18,240
elaborates on these fears and makes them

1093
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,410
into beings and soon we have all kinds

1094
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:24,420
of folkloric beings running around with

1095
00:54:31,279 --> 00:54:27,720
terrible ideas and then reinforced by

1096
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,289
the core belief that I think is central

1097
00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:33,119
to the Air Force's reaction to this

1098
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:35,670
presence is that they're demons because

1099
00:54:38,779 --> 00:54:37,170
they've been going after them and

1100
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:38,789
shooting after them and so forth for

1101
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:42,690
years so you've got all of that - quite

1102
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,210
a bit to overcome but nevertheless

1103
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,490
that's the way things are you know

1104
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:49,380
there's nothing we can do about it it is

1105
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:53,010
what it is as far as taming yourself to

1106
00:54:58,279 --> 00:54:54,930
it it's an inner practice a sole

1107
00:55:00,609 --> 00:54:58,289
practice and a matter of acceptance and

1108
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:00,619
I just want to have a footnote here I

1109
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:03,450
mentioned that the eyes were

1110
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:06,390
particularly difficult to look into and

1111
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:09,049
they are because there's a sense of

1112
00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:12,839
infinity there that's shocking when you

1113
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,900
see it the week later I had told this

1114
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,700
story and the two of us had talked about

1115
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:19,440
it all through the conference of course

1116
00:55:22,819 --> 00:55:21,180
because for him it was a big experience

1117
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:22,829
it was the first time he'd ever had a

1118
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,440
direct experience like that and I had

1119
00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:27,119
talked about the eyes being frightening

1120
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:30,980
and so forth and so on the next week

1121
00:55:35,770 --> 00:55:32,990
presumably the same visitor showed up

1122
00:55:38,410 --> 00:55:35,780
during my meditation very briefly for

1123
00:55:42,370 --> 00:55:38,420
maybe three seconds but what was

1124
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:42,380
prominent on his face was a pair of dark

1125
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:46,670
glasses huh he was saying joking and

1126
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:49,369
saying okay if my eyes are too scary

1127
00:55:54,790 --> 00:55:52,310
I'll wear dark glasses haha and that's

1128
00:55:57,339 --> 00:55:54,800
where our relationship is now in other

1129
00:56:01,089 --> 00:55:57,349
words it's not like it used to be it's

1130
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:01,099
much more comprehensible and much more

1131
00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:04,070
fun actually hmm I'm having fun with

1132
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:06,260
this well that's great because you know

1133
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,300
when I hear about the early story it

1134
00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:11,119
doesn't sound so great at all it sounds

1135
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,270
quite terrifying and invasive but you

1136
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:16,460
know maybe that's how the relationship

1137
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:18,470
is formed if you were willing to and

1138
00:56:23,140 --> 00:56:21,470
able to get through that fear I think

1139
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:23,150
that's some great insight because this

1140
00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:25,010
is such a mystery to me having no real

1141
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,900
personal experience with these sorts of

1142
00:56:32,260 --> 00:56:29,359
encounters but I'm open to it and I love

1143
00:56:34,329 --> 00:56:32,270
to hear about what they say and what

1144
00:56:36,550 --> 00:56:34,339
they do because it's as close as I can

1145
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,560
get to understanding what they're about

1146
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:39,440
and that's really what I'm after well

1147
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:42,530
yeah what this is about is a challenge

1148
00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:44,890
to wake up to the existence of the soul

1149
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,220
while leaving behind all of the

1150
00:56:55,420 --> 00:56:51,440
mythology associated with it and looking

1151
00:56:57,970 --> 00:56:55,430
at it objectively as part of us hmm we

1152
00:57:00,760 --> 00:56:57,980
want to think about all going to another

1153
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:00,770
planet and making starships and having

1154
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,040
cool interocitor Zoar that's from that

1155
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:06,319
old movie this island earth I don't know

1156
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:08,450
if you ever saw that I love it yeah

1157
00:57:16,089 --> 00:57:11,890
anyway and having this unfold on a very

1158
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:16,099
comprehensible physical level that's not

1159
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:17,480
on the cards that's not what's happening

1160
00:57:26,589 --> 00:57:21,230
and it never will happen that way it's

1161
00:57:29,950 --> 00:57:26,599
different and once we get deeper into

1162
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:29,960
this we're going to find out that this

1163
00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:34,880
is stranger than anything we could

1164
00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:37,700
possibly have imagined in the most

1165
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:41,780
exotic science fiction that we could

1166
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:44,260
create and

1167
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:52,480
not only is it stranger so are we huh

1168
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:57,970
well said hmm Wow well it really has

1169
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:00,070
been a pleasure to talk to you I was of

1170
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:02,170
course too in communion came out and no

1171
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:04,210
doubt your experiences have impacted the

1172
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:07,390
entire 90s era paranormal culture that I

1173
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:10,180
cut my teeth on so I gotta give it up to

1174
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:12,190
you for stand strong on these strange

1175
00:58:17,069 --> 00:58:14,500
threads that weave our reality and

1176
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:17,079
before we really call it in do give the

1177
00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:19,240
people some info on your website and any

1178
00:58:23,790 --> 00:58:21,220
other projects you got going on just so

1179
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:23,800
they can follow up okay my website is

1180
00:58:31,859 --> 00:58:27,849
unknown country calm I have two new

1181
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,869
books out the afterlife revolution and a

1182
00:58:37,380 --> 00:58:34,480
novel called new and you just ghost

1183
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:37,390
Reaper new on Amazon and you'll see the

1184
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,820
novel afterlife revolution it's easy to

1185
00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:42,160
get on Amazon as well or I guess

1186
00:58:48,329 --> 00:58:45,150
wherever books are sold alone oh no

1187
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:48,339
self-respecting bookstore would stock

1188
00:58:51,089 --> 00:58:49,150
Whitley Strieber

1189
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:51,099
and that's why I don't have a publisher

1190
00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:52,720
anymore these are all published through

1191
00:58:56,490 --> 00:58:55,030
my own company the regular publishers

1192
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:56,500
will not publish Whitley Strieber

1193
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:58,200
anymore there's been a tremendous

1194
00:59:01,819 --> 00:59:00,970
hardening in the past five years that's

1195
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:01,829
another story

1196
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,849
we're getting ready to deploy a

1197
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:06,160
completely new website and when we do it

1198
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:08,260
will be once again possible to subscribe

1199
00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:12,310
we were derailed because the new website

1200
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:14,200
just before it was going to be deployed

1201
00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:17,260
was hit with a massive malware attack

1202
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:20,740
and destroyed and I now have a GoFundMe

1203
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:23,920
so if you go to GoFundMe streamer and

1204
00:59:30,510 --> 00:59:26,710
please do this and give me a little bit

1205
00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:30,520
of cash because we lost years of work in

1206
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:34,180
this and it can be restored it's not

1207
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:37,079
impossible but it's not cheap either and

1208
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:40,980
you know I am constantly under pressure

1209
00:59:47,790 --> 00:59:45,160
under attack it never ends and it never

1210
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:47,800
will as long as I'm alive and then after

1211
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:50,680
I'm dead I can assure you the debunkers

1212
00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:54,609
will come out of the woodwork to try to

1213
00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:57,369
make the truths that I have brought into

1214
01:00:01,700 --> 00:59:57,880
this

1215
01:00:04,830 --> 01:00:01,710
world that we are a much bigger and more

1216
01:00:08,820 --> 01:00:04,840
extraordinary race of beings than we

1217
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:08,830
dare imagine and that we have a place in

1218
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:12,100
the universe waiting for us if we only

1219
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:16,390
dare to take our place they will try to

1220
01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:20,860
shove that all aside and say to you you

1221
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:23,380
are small you're insignificant

1222
01:00:29,610 --> 01:00:26,140
you're just a physical body you have no

1223
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:29,620
soul buy more cars buy more hamburgers

1224
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:35,010
and in the end this will all settle down

1225
01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:39,970
to darkness I urge you to say no to that

1226
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:43,180
go for the light

1227
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:45,790
cheers to that and it's a shame to hear

1228
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:48,670
about your troubles but again very

1229
01:00:51,859 --> 01:00:50,410
thankful to have you here you live one

1230
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:51,869
hell of a life and the afterlife

1231
01:00:57,329 --> 01:00:55,119
revolution is a brave and emotional move

1232
01:00:58,890 --> 01:00:57,339
to push this stuff even further so

1233
01:01:01,200 --> 01:00:58,900
thanks so much for putting yourself out

1234
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,210
there again tell Ann I said thanks as

1235
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:03,520
well and both of you take care out there

1236
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:07,240
thank you and the gods have granted

1237
01:01:12,359 --> 01:01:09,670
gifts of glorious bounty today good

1238
01:01:15,150 --> 01:01:12,369
people a legend in this space and that

1239
01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:15,160
one the great whitley strieber

1240
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:17,980
I felt good about this show I felt like

1241
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:21,280
it was a bit of a get for me in terms of

1242
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:24,790
guest star power I've been going to a

1243
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:26,770
lot of obscure places lately to get

1244
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:28,930
guests and this is just the opposite a

1245
01:01:34,049 --> 01:01:30,730
name that likely every listener knows

1246
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:34,059
and Whitley is just a great storyteller

1247
01:01:40,589 --> 01:01:37,240
and it can't be easy to constantly

1248
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,599
highlight the lost love of your life but

1249
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:42,640
I appreciate the insight that he is able

1250
01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:45,400
to share you know when someone has a new

1251
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:47,740
book out and especially when it's so

1252
01:01:52,349 --> 01:01:49,930
personal that is what you're going to be

1253
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:52,359
talking about most of the time but for

1254
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,950
Whitley to have had these contact

1255
01:01:58,579 --> 01:01:56,319
experiences and also have this weird

1256
01:02:00,839 --> 01:01:58,589
secret school aspect in his background

1257
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:00,849
now that to me is the most interesting

1258
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:04,030
aspect of his life so of course the

1259
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:06,190
first hour is largely about the new book

1260
01:02:10,410 --> 01:02:08,410
Whitley's contact with his late wife and

1261
01:02:12,569 --> 01:02:10,420
the insights that he has into the big

1262
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:12,579
picture when folding in all these unique

1263
01:02:17,549 --> 01:02:15,490
experiences and then the Plus show that

1264
01:02:20,339 --> 01:02:17,559
is when I could open it up and get

1265
01:02:22,829 --> 01:02:20,349
really weird and we talked about things

1266
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:22,839
like Whitley's insight into conscious

1267
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:25,569
computers and the master of the key saga

1268
01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:28,900
as well as the secret school and

1269
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:31,299
military intelligence connections to

1270
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:34,270
high strangeness events and a deeper

1271
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:36,940
dive into Annie's insights about many

1272
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:40,030
things including time that she has from

1273
01:02:45,420 --> 01:02:42,490
the other side so if you liked the first

1274
01:02:48,569 --> 01:02:45,430
hour sign up for THD plus and get the

1275
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,579
full interview that extra hour of not

1276
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:50,559
only this show but what is now about

1277
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:53,160
four years worth of Plus show archives

1278
01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:55,510
sign up at the higher side chats plus

1279
01:02:59,249 --> 01:02:56,859
com always

1280
01:03:01,380 --> 01:02:59,259
action-packed and commercial-free so

1281
01:03:05,249 --> 01:03:01,390
yeah kind of just the nature of the show

1282
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:05,259
but for the plus people I did love his

1283
01:03:10,019 --> 01:03:07,180
AI comments I thought they were pretty

1284
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:10,029
unique and the secret school stuff is

1285
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:11,440
just so wild

1286
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:14,079
Whitley can obviously talk a lot so I

1287
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:16,329
really needed to be careful with my

1288
01:03:20,729 --> 01:03:17,710
words maybe should have been more

1289
01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:20,739
careful but what I was getting at about

1290
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:23,140
the skullenbones researcher that he

1291
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,970
referenced in the past was that she

1292
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:27,039
played for him a really creepy sound of

1293
01:03:32,489 --> 01:03:30,609
torturous horrifying screaming which she

1294
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:32,499
claimed was taped at one of the

1295
01:03:36,809 --> 01:03:34,480
skullenbones rituals or it's something

1296
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:36,819
that they are forced to listen to during

1297
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:39,609
their initiations and whitley had said

1298
01:03:43,890 --> 01:03:41,980
that that sound reminded him of

1299
01:03:46,339 --> 01:03:43,900
something that he had to hear at this

1300
01:03:49,769 --> 01:03:46,349
secret school program from his childhood

1301
01:03:52,049 --> 01:03:49,779
very creepy and something I didn't get

1302
01:03:53,849 --> 01:03:52,059
to bring up that relates to a facility

1303
01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:53,859
in Monterrey Mexico

1304
01:03:58,410 --> 01:03:56,140
he talked today largely about these

1305
01:03:59,759 --> 01:03:58,420
experiences in San Antonio but if you

1306
01:04:01,440 --> 01:03:59,769
read the book or listen to older

1307
01:04:02,910 --> 01:04:01,450
interviews he talks about remembering

1308
01:04:05,549 --> 01:04:02,920
this recruitment for a school in

1309
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:05,559
Monterrey Mexico for gifted children and

1310
01:04:10,499 --> 01:04:07,900
if you remember the story of the finders

1311
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:10,509
cult I think many guests have brought it

1312
01:04:14,999 --> 01:04:12,430
up over the years but most recently John

1313
01:04:16,859 --> 01:04:15,009
Britton and his plush show portion but

1314
01:04:18,529 --> 01:04:16,869
the guys who were transporting these

1315
01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:18,539
kids and got caught

1316
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:20,920
apparently they said they were taking

1317
01:04:27,769 --> 01:04:23,369
them to a school for gifted children in

1318
01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:27,779
Mexico and I find that really eerie

1319
01:04:32,819 --> 01:04:30,430
why such cross-contamination between

1320
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:32,829
entity experiencers and military

1321
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:35,529
intelligence I think it's too broad to

1322
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,529
say well it's all military and

1323
01:04:43,529 --> 01:04:40,480
they just make you believe you had weird

1324
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:43,539
experiences no because I think military

1325
01:04:47,220 --> 01:04:44,950
intelligence for the most part is

1326
01:04:49,499 --> 01:04:47,230
carrying out its own exploration of

1327
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:49,509
these entities or consciousness or other

1328
01:04:55,259 --> 01:04:52,630
realms whatever and they just seem to

1329
01:04:57,630 --> 01:04:55,269
use kids to do that maybe they've

1330
01:05:00,239 --> 01:04:57,640
isolated certain factors that correlate

1331
01:05:02,489 --> 01:05:00,249
to higher paranormal experiences maybe

1332
01:05:04,769 --> 01:05:02,499
just being a kid is one of those and

1333
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:04,779
then they try to get these kids into

1334
01:05:09,930 --> 01:05:07,690
some program call it something for

1335
01:05:10,589 --> 01:05:09,940
gifted kids stroke mom and dad's ego a

1336
01:05:13,319 --> 01:05:10,599
bit

1337
01:05:16,739 --> 01:05:13,329
and then soul crack them stranger things

1338
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:16,749
style so my best guess and it is a guess

1339
01:05:21,539 --> 01:05:19,720
is not that these experiences are due to

1340
01:05:26,279 --> 01:05:21,549
what we would just call that secret

1341
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:26,289
military program type aspect but more

1342
01:05:32,999 --> 01:05:29,170
that they recognize something in Whitley

1343
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:33,009
that maybe made them want to tag him or

1344
01:05:37,799 --> 01:05:36,249
something to watch later it's really

1345
01:05:39,870 --> 01:05:37,809
hard to say because it's not like he's

1346
01:05:42,479 --> 01:05:39,880
been interrogated at some black site

1347
01:05:44,729 --> 01:05:42,489
post communion as far as I know and

1348
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:44,739
that's the thing we wouldn't know we

1349
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:47,410
might not know but I bet his book

1350
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:50,319
communion was on a lot of CIA shelves in

1351
01:05:55,799 --> 01:05:53,470
the late 80s and 90s his insights from

1352
01:05:57,809 --> 01:05:55,809
Annie are also really interesting and I

1353
01:06:00,749 --> 01:05:57,819
actually listened to the audiobook of

1354
01:06:03,539 --> 01:06:00,759
this one which Whitley narrates himself

1355
01:06:05,969 --> 01:06:03,549
and I did get choked up a time or two

1356
01:06:08,609 --> 01:06:05,979
that sort of loss is something that

1357
01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:08,619
anyone should empathize with it's also

1358
01:06:12,479 --> 01:06:10,420
interesting that Whitley says he knows

1359
01:06:15,509 --> 01:06:12,489
nothing about psychedelics and maybe

1360
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:15,519
that's more my realm of knowledge but

1361
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:17,440
everything Annie says about the

1362
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:19,690
afterlife is very much in line with the

1363
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:21,640
couple of level 10 psychedelic

1364
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:24,940
experiences that I have had of these

1365
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:26,890
things that she has said one of the main

1366
01:06:31,170 --> 01:06:28,450
ones I don't think it came up in the

1367
01:06:33,059 --> 01:06:31,180
show but I definitely jotted it down was

1368
01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:33,069
that when you're out of your body it's

1369
01:06:39,059 --> 01:06:36,219
not the whoa holy what the hell is

1370
01:06:41,309 --> 01:06:39,069
happening to me type of reaction that

1371
01:06:41,749 --> 01:06:41,319
you might expect at least it wasn't for

1372
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:41,759
me

1373
01:06:47,489 --> 01:06:44,650
I'd never been consciously out-of-body

1374
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:47,499
and when it happened it was not

1375
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:50,319
surprising or disorienting at all

1376
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:53,140
I was shockingly comfortable with it in

1377
01:06:59,489 --> 01:06:56,049
fact it would be fair to say I felt more

1378
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,499
myself than I ever have it was like I

1379
01:07:05,219 --> 01:07:01,839
shed the clunky body that I try to

1380
01:07:08,009 --> 01:07:05,229
operate and express myself through never

1381
01:07:09,779 --> 01:07:08,019
knowing what to do with my hands but

1382
01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:09,789
it's like I'm only operating this

1383
01:07:16,019 --> 01:07:12,190
machine and in that moment it was very

1384
01:07:19,259 --> 01:07:16,029
much like ah now I can stretch out a bit

1385
01:07:22,019 --> 01:07:19,269
now I am unequivocally me and I didn't

1386
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:22,029
really care if I came back in fact I

1387
01:07:27,030 --> 01:07:24,430
sort of stopped doing salvia because I

1388
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:27,040
was having diminishing returns in terms

1389
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:29,830
of the contact never as powerful as the

1390
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:33,190
first time but also I sort of got sad

1391
01:07:38,610 --> 01:07:35,410
when I came back and I think I freaked

1392
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:38,620
out my now wife a couple of times by how

1393
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:42,130
excited I was to stay over there and it

1394
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:43,750
really did feel like I didn't have to

1395
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:45,670
come back and that's weird because it's

1396
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:47,560
not like a lot of people all over the

1397
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,930
place are doing salvia and then some of

1398
01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:52,240
them are just dying and not coming back

1399
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:55,480
everybody's coming back so to have this

1400
01:08:00,330 --> 01:07:57,910
feeling that it was a choice obviously

1401
01:08:02,730 --> 01:08:00,340
is not exactly right

1402
01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:02,740
it's a weird type of thought and it

1403
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:05,140
sounds kind of dumb even coming out of

1404
01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:08,080
my mouth now because why would being a

1405
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:10,780
formless drop and an eternal ocean be

1406
01:08:16,710 --> 01:08:14,500
appealing none of it makes sense but to

1407
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:16,720
me this after death contact with an

1408
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,330
seems very legit because a few very

1409
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:21,520
foreign ideas that went through my head

1410
01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:24,640
also seemed to be what she's reporting

1411
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:27,280
back as well and I think it'd be hard to

1412
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:30,370
nail those things if this wasn't genuine

1413
01:08:36,540 --> 01:08:33,310
contact wouldn't be impossible but it

1414
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:36,550
would be difficult but I have to say a

1415
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:38,980
lot of times doing a show like this can

1416
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:41,500
start to feel routine but I was a bit

1417
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:43,150
giddy when I got off the phone with

1418
01:08:47,190 --> 01:08:45,850
Whitley just super happy to say boom

1419
01:08:49,470 --> 01:08:47,200
that just happened

1420
01:08:53,580 --> 01:08:49,480
I got it recorded we're not gonna get a

1421
01:08:55,650 --> 01:08:53,590
cancellation here it's done I try not to

1422
01:08:57,630 --> 01:08:55,660
get too excited until I can actually say

1423
01:08:59,400 --> 01:08:57,640
that and I should really thank Laurel

1424
01:09:01,200 --> 01:08:59,410
Erika here if you remember the

1425
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:01,210
metaphysical mother goose from a few

1426
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:04,600
months ago we talked to her about her

1427
01:09:10,350 --> 01:09:06,910
knowing Whitley and I asked her to put

1428
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:10,360
in a good word for me and she did so it

1429
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:13,090
wouldn't have happened if we didn't have

1430
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:16,240
that show as well so sometimes we play

1431
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:19,170
the long game and the bounty is sweet

1432
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:22,150
but that does it for the month of June a

1433
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:24,490
pretty all over the place month which

1434
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:28,330
are my favorites dr. Michael Sala David

1435
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:32,440
Griffin Ross Ben Jordan sailor and now

1436
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:33,250
Whitley Strieber

1437
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,190
I give my guest of the Month awards to

1438
01:09:40,349 --> 01:09:38,319
Ross pan and Whitley

1439
01:09:43,769 --> 01:09:40,359
I really liked them all for their own

1440
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:43,779
reasons I've already gotten a couple

1441
01:09:48,660 --> 01:09:46,239
dozen plus cancellations over Jordans

1442
01:09:51,180 --> 01:09:48,670
show people aren't shy about telling me

1443
01:09:54,689 --> 01:09:51,190
that how could you have an all right

1444
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:54,699
Trump lapdog on your show well we're in

1445
01:09:59,850 --> 01:09:57,610
strange times guys I think I said this

1446
01:10:01,770 --> 01:09:59,860
in a wrap-up earlier in the month but

1447
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:01,780
it's like you got to choose a side

1448
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:04,540
between trusting the media and trusting

1449
01:10:11,220 --> 01:10:07,570
the administration because they are at

1450
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:11,230
odds I like to say them all that's

1451
01:10:15,629 --> 01:10:12,480
my choice

1452
01:10:18,209 --> 01:10:15,639
but people who are venomously against

1453
01:10:20,129 --> 01:10:18,219
the administration are usually taking

1454
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:20,139
their talking points from the media and

1455
01:10:25,649 --> 01:10:23,380
the media has an agenda and also lies to

1456
01:10:27,839 --> 01:10:25,659
us so maybe you shouldn't use those

1457
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:27,849
arguments just because they prop up your

1458
01:10:32,729 --> 01:10:30,070
position I'm not saying the

1459
01:10:33,540 --> 01:10:32,739
administration is good also a bunch of

1460
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,550
crooks and Liars

1461
01:10:38,339 --> 01:10:35,440
and they want to tell you don't trust

1462
01:10:41,879 --> 01:10:38,349
the media that's all well it is

1463
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:41,889
all so you have two camps which

1464
01:10:47,459 --> 01:10:45,489
I think are actually divided and they're

1465
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,469
both trying to manipulate the way you

1466
01:10:52,589 --> 01:10:50,320
think so don't give me a list of reasons

1467
01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:52,599
that you hate the current administration

1468
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:55,900
that you got from CNN don't tell me why

1469
01:11:00,240 --> 01:10:58,210
Anderson Cooper told you you should be

1470
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:00,250
mad at the administration because I

1471
01:11:04,979 --> 01:11:03,369
don't care about that I brought Jordan

1472
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:04,989
here so we could get that clear

1473
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:07,630
understanding of what this cue and on

1474
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:10,750
position is and we talked about many

1475
01:11:15,089 --> 01:11:13,300
interesting pieces of news that I don't

1476
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:15,099
think have a whole lot to do with being

1477
01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:17,650
a trump supporter I think the stuff

1478
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:20,260
about the veterans on patrol findings

1479
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:22,690
and the celebrity suicides were well

1480
01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:24,520
worth the price of admission last week

1481
01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:26,920
and if you're going to cancel just

1482
01:11:32,609 --> 01:11:29,230
because we go there with someone who

1483
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:32,619
holds an alt right perspective once or a

1484
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:35,650
couple of times I don't know what to say

1485
01:11:40,979 --> 01:11:38,380
I'm sure I got some signups to

1486
01:11:42,919 --> 01:11:40,989
counterbalance the cancellations but the

1487
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:42,929
problem for me

1488
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:46,570
depending on this show would be so I

1489
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:48,670
want to explore this qa9 thing once or

1490
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:52,090
twice I lose a few dozen longtime

1491
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:54,190
members over how much they hated it I

1492
01:11:58,650 --> 01:11:56,980
then get a few dozen people who sign up

1493
01:12:02,010 --> 01:11:58,660
because of how much they loved it and

1494
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:02,020
now when the latter group realizes that

1495
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:04,870
I'm not a full-on Qi on alt-right show

1496
01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:07,930
they will drop off so now I'm

1497
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:11,740
incentivized to please voices that I

1498
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,830
don't necessarily agree with because the

1499
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:16,960
longtime loyalists are just that

1500
01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:19,630
offended it's really the flat earth all

1501
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:22,300
over again I wanted to look at it have

1502
01:12:27,630 --> 01:12:24,610
some guests on to make that case it is

1503
01:12:29,670 --> 01:12:27,640
provocative and entertaining and people

1504
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:29,680
who thought it went too far they dropped

1505
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:32,290
off and they were replaced by listeners

1506
01:12:37,050 --> 01:12:34,450
who had asked for all flat earth all the

1507
01:12:38,940 --> 01:12:37,060
time and that's not great either

1508
01:12:41,130 --> 01:12:38,950
I need listeners who were open to

1509
01:12:43,470 --> 01:12:41,140
pivoting and checking out all kinds of

1510
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:43,480
different things so I guess I would just

1511
01:12:48,450 --> 01:12:45,850
ask that longtime listeners realized

1512
01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:48,460
that we try to get all sorts of voices

1513
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:50,260
and if you just stick with me through

1514
01:12:55,860 --> 01:12:52,390
the ones that you strongly disagree with

1515
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:55,870
I won't be boxed in to have to cater to

1516
01:13:01,620 --> 01:12:58,570
those singularly focused types of

1517
01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:01,630
listeners oh well do what you want I

1518
01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:04,750
know I will but another month in the can

1519
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:06,940
and I can also announced that the third

1520
01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:09,820
and final installment of the are mania

1521
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:12,100
tour with Graham Hancock is now out four

1522
01:13:18,270 --> 01:13:14,830
plus members we go through carahunge

1523
01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:18,280
which is our manias Stonehenge we check

1524
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:21,160
out a way off the radar ancient site

1525
01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:22,900
they're calling the city of knowledge

1526
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:25,000
where I touched my first human bones

1527
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:27,490
which were just scattered about in a pit

1528
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:30,970
in the woods kind of a trip so check

1529
01:13:36,780 --> 01:13:33,690
that out if you are one of those fine

1530
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:36,790
sweet glorious plus members and I'll see

1531
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,510
you next month

1532
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:39,760
big thanks to Whitley I know a lot of

1533
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:42,010
people are after his time I'm glad he

1534
01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:44,650
gave us some of it that's it for me

1535
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:47,020
your move visitors from beyond the veil

1536
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:50,170
alphabet agency e so tarik explorers and

1537
01:14:04,140 --> 01:13:54,400
Dean of the secret school you're

1538
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:04,150
oh no you see no world isn't random it's

1539
01:14:15,450 --> 01:14:09,690
attached above our strength control over

1540
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:15,460
everything the 95 is trying to steal

1541
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:22,140
yeah now don't that job seem silly hello

1542
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:26,640
can you hear me why should i playback

1543
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:28,470
recording

1544
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:33,210
and some spy agency wish we were younger

1545
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:36,570
[Music]

1546
01:14:44,270 --> 01:14:40,510
I'll be thankful when it's all exposed

1547
01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:44,280
the fat since we received is such a

1548
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:58,330
you

1549
01:15:56,590 --> 01:15:06,250
[Music]

1550
01:16:01,810 --> 01:15:56,600
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

1551
01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:01,820
of me to talk about that stuff I'm sorry

1552
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:09,880
that's good and well did you ever hear

1553
01:16:16,309 --> 01:16:14,120
argument the nothing really happens it's

1554
01:16:20,389 --> 01:16:16,319
no secret

1555
01:16:22,330 --> 01:16:20,399
and the staplers

1556
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:22,340
it's done